

Joe Kennedy - he was a bad man - he came to Frank to have him talk to Giancana about getting votes. The connection was there between Sinatra and the Mafia and Kennedy. What’s something you wish you didn’t know? This is something else I shouldn’t be talking about. It’s because there’s a side of her - when you keep secrets, they backfire. Why is there still such visceral dislike of them? What are other people not seeing in Hillary, for example, that you see? You just mentioned the Clintons, who are friends of yours. I was around the White House for eight years with the Clintons, and I’d learn about how much influence Big Pharma has. Big Pharma making Ox圜ontin and all that shit is a serious thing. Yes, but at the end Michael’s problem was Propofol, and that problem affects everyone - doesn’t matter if you’re famous. It’s such a strange juxtaposition - how Michael’s music was so joyous, but his life just seems sadder and more odd as time goes by. You mean with the way he looked? He had a problem with his looks because his father told him he was ugly and abused him. How much were his problems wrapped up with fame? He’d always justify it and say it was because of some disease he had. I used to kill him about the plastic surgery, man. What about outside of music? What’s misunderstood about Michael? Michael should’ve given him 10 percent of the song. “Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough” - Greg Phillinganes wrote the c section. “ State of Independence ” and “Billie Jean. I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. What’s something people don’t understand about him? You worked with Michael Jackson more than anyone he wasn’t related to. “The experiences I’ve had!” he says, shaking his head in wonder. Even when his words are harsh, he says them with an enveloping charm, frequently leaning over for fist bumps and to tap me on the knee. He name-drops, he scolds, he praises, and he tells (and retells) stories about his very famous friends.

Currently in the midst of an extended victory lap ahead of his turning 85 in March - a Netflix documentary and a CBS special hosted by Oprah Winfrey are on the horizon - Jones, dressed in a loose sweater, dark slacks, and a jaunty scarf, talks like he has nothing to lose.
